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Post by Steve Gibbs on Nov 10, 2008 14:24:28 GMT -5
OK, now you've had a chance to see Holden go though some interesting experiences - his encounter with the woman on the train, with Sunny and Maurice, with Sally Hayes, with cab drivers. Do you see a pattern emerging? What is Holden's modus operandi (defined here: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Modus_operandi) |
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Post by tcollins on Nov 11, 2008 11:23:19 GMT -5
i think that Holden keeps trying new experiences that end in disastrous results. I think he keeps trying to find someone he can be with, but messes it up when he thinks of Jane... The thing with sunny was because he was alone, and the thing with sally Hayes was a fluke. I think he wanted to be with Jane, but doesn't know what to do... the thing with the cabs drivers is loneliness as well, he wants them to have drinks with him because he has no one else to be with. that is why i think everything that holden has done ends disastrously and he ends up lonely.
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Post by jasperthebear on Nov 12, 2008 20:16:46 GMT -5
I think he doesn't really think through what his actions will result in. and he doesn't consider others feelings before he does stuff. at least not much. when he was talking about his mom being nervous since his brother's death and him dropping out making him depressed, he obviously doesn't think about what failing school will make his family feel or how its hard on them. he doesn't learn from his mistakes either since he's been kicked out so many times. he thinks he's an adult and knows everything when really he just gets himself in a bunch of trouble all the time because he thinks he knows what hes doing or hes not thinking clearly or both.
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Post by abude11 on Nov 12, 2008 21:27:48 GMT -5
As Holden talks to the lady on the train, the cab driver, Maurice and Sunny, and Sally Hayes i see a pattern of him wanting to talk to people and make new friends and reunite with old ones. Holden's modus operandi is the fake names/ identity he gives people.
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Post by lagrimas on Nov 13, 2008 0:31:04 GMT -5
Holden gets himself into all these situations and if his mood changes, then he uses the quick way to get out of it. with sunny, he didnt want her anymore so he just paid her and told her to leave. with sally hayes he got frustrated and annoyed with her so he jus took out all his anger on her. he doesnt know how to control himself and his emotions. i still dont understand tho, why he gets himself into this stuff in the first place.
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Post by reyes92 on Nov 13, 2008 12:42:08 GMT -5
I think Holden likes to try new things. He likes to have intelligent conversations and find out alot of things about other people but doesn't like revealing alot about himself. He is a very proud person who doesn't give in easily and i think that is why he wouldn't give Maurice the money. I think his encounter with Sunny was his attempt to become more of a man but he was scared and didn't feel ready. I think sometimes he tries to play the tough guy a little and act rough along the edges but deep down he is pretty sincere. This would explain his donation to the nuns, his profuse apologys to Sally, not doing it with Sunny, and feeling bad about lying to the woman on the train.
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Post by bendover on Nov 13, 2008 12:48:56 GMT -5
I believe that holden is suffering from depression and never thinks of the consequences of his actions and goes with his gut. No matter how any times he screws up, he finds some other way to mess up the current situation. He tries to make conversation with anyone he sees ecause he is lonely and just needs a friend.
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Post by heather on Nov 14, 2008 12:37:38 GMT -5
I think Holden is searching for some one who will care about him and want to no his problems. Like he wants some one who will help him with his problems and lead him the right way
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Post by tropygrl on Nov 15, 2008 0:27:18 GMT -5
Holden is a very lonley boy. he is desprate for attention so he will try to talk or get with anyone.He wants someone to turn to because he doesn't have any true friends.He also changes his subjects alot. It is probably because he has alot of things in his mind and he cant keep it in so he has to say it. He is also rude and says all these things that dont need to be said. He also says bad things about people probably to cover up his insecurities.Holden is also a guy that doesn't let go of things easy. Just like when he hired a prostitute and he didn't give her 5 dollars more. Maurice had to hurt him just to get five dollars. Its ridiculous! I dont know but i would of already gave the five dollars.
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Post by kennyferr on Nov 15, 2008 16:23:20 GMT -5
To me Holden's only thing he really wants in life is a companion. other than that life doesn't matter. And because he is so desperate for someone to give him all but two second of their time he will go out on a limb with anyone to find that sense like someone actually cares about him. he shows this with the cab drivers when he is constantly talking to them while they are driving. he also asks if they want a drink with him. he actually has asked this or thought about asking it to almost everyone in the book. It is a distress signal that he is amazingly lonely that the first person he sees he tries to buddy up with them.
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Post by kennyferr on Nov 15, 2008 16:27:10 GMT -5
...I see a pattern of him wanting to talk to people and make new friends and reunite with old ones...
from what i see i think he actually tries to stay away from the old friends. like with the lady who used to date his brother. when she asked him to join them he denied the offer. Do you think he is looking for a new beginning possibly? |
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Post by torilovesmaddie on Nov 16, 2008 21:47:36 GMT -5
I think that Holden enjoys meeting and getting to know people. He pretty much lives alone at the time and feels lonely so he talks to anyone he can. The cab drivers are just there to strike up interesting conversations with. Sally Hayes was someone he thought he loved but messed things up with her. He doesn't want to be lonely so he interacts with everyone, like the woman in the train. Holden was lonely so he got Sunny. As for Maurice, I'm not sure why he was there, except for giving Holden Sunny. Overall, Holden is lonely. He wants a companion but mostly enjoys having conversations with people, about anything!  |
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Post by ochosiete on Nov 17, 2008 12:29:07 GMT -5
i think holden just really wants to be loved by someone so he makes dates with anyone in his phonebook. i also think he just wants answers from people that don't want to answer his questions. i think he tried to get with sunny because he was lonely and his thing with sally hayes was he was wanting to make a relationship but she wasn.t what he was looking for so he got annoyed
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Post by bendover on Nov 17, 2008 12:32:05 GMT -5
i agree with dante. Holden just wants someone he can relate to and care about. good analysis of his psychology
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Post by reyes92 on Nov 17, 2008 12:35:22 GMT -5
i agree with Jazz. Holden does seem like he is really lonely and i think its interesting to read about all the people he meets and all the converesations he has with those people.
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