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Post by heather on Nov 7, 2008 12:24:55 GMT -5
That he is a comples person and can act diffrently to surtant people. He trys to be nice, but at the same time he wants to seem though so people dont walk all over him. It alsop like he wasnts to make friends but is scared to cuz hes always gettin kicked out of school.
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Post by torilovesmaddie on Nov 8, 2008 14:57:29 GMT -5
I agree with Ciaran when he says that Holden does to Ackley as Stradlater does to him, to a degree. Holden feels bad for Ackley at a point but you never see Stradlater feel bad for Holden. In fact, it's the opposite, they get physical and fight. But on the other hand, Holden always follows Stradlater and wants to talk to him, just like Ackley does to Holden. I don't think Holden means to act like Stradlater around Ackley but for some reason, he does. In no way does Holden envy Stradlater but around Ackley, it seems like he does. This three way relationship helps us better understand Holden because we now know that Holden gets annoyed by these little things Ackley does. This trait just adds to his character.
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Post by agent35 on Nov 9, 2008 10:40:37 GMT -5
i think that holden just is sort of doesnt know who he really wants to be friends with. both ackley and stradlater have their upsides and downsides. the relationship between the three seems to be strained because of the way they all treat each other and because of the way they think of each other and how they want to be presented in front of each other.
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Post by christa on Nov 9, 2008 16:14:26 GMT -5
i think maybe Holden unknowingly dosen't really like himself. He is always complaing about Ackley yet he does kind of the same things to Stradlater. But maybe also he is just trying to adapt to the situation he is in by just being what some people around him are like.
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Post by ashleyh on Nov 10, 2008 12:26:54 GMT -5
i believe strdalater is someone holden looks up to as an older brother figure and wants to be cool and hangout with him but doesnt really like him as a good friend .ackley on the other hand he thinks of as a friend so holden thinks he can treat him any way he wants becacuse their friends
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Post by miles on Nov 12, 2008 21:56:37 GMT -5
I learned that Holden is WEAK. I consider him weak because hes not able to tell that Stradlater does not want anything to do with him but use him for his own gain. Then he doesnt realize that he has a friend, Ackley, but he treats him horribly. But Holden is stuck in the middle of it all.
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Post by Steve Gibbs on Nov 14, 2008 12:56:15 GMT -5
Tallies up to this point have been counted. This discussion thread is now closed.
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