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Post by Steve Gibbs on Nov 13, 2008 10:35:05 GMT -5
I want you all to look closely and think deeply about Holden when he is looking for his little sister Phoebe - where he is first helping the child with her skates and then the long detailed description he gives of the museum. Focus especially on his thoughts about children and his description of the museum and his memories surrounding it.
[glow=red,2,300]We've at last found things that Holden likes and makes him happy.[/glow]
What gives? What is Salinger trying to convey to readers in this museum piece? Why does Holden like the museum? Extrapolate from there. What does this say/mean/imply in general about Holden Caulfield and his life conflicts?
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Post by tropygrl on Nov 13, 2008 12:14:51 GMT -5
it seems like everything about children make him happy.one time a little boy was singing and he said it made him happy to hear him sing.it is probably because he is like a 12 year old himself. he can relate and get along with children more than people his age or older.
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Post by tcollins on Nov 13, 2008 19:02:52 GMT -5
I think he really likes children. He seems more comfortable around them than his superiors. With the museum, he describes how he felt as a kid walking through the corridors of that moseleum of artifacts. And the skates give him a sense of peace. When he sees his sister skate, he is happy.
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Post by abude11 on Nov 14, 2008 0:03:12 GMT -5
When Holden starts thinking about the children in Central Park, he develops a positive outlook on children which results in him liking some things. It seems when Holden's describing old memories from the musuem and Central Park, he enjoys life as a child when he didn't have to worry about much. With everything happening to him right now, so much stress is put on him to stay in a decent school and succeed. For him, life as a child was care free and he could enjoy it without worrying about the big things in life.
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Post by jasperthebear on Nov 14, 2008 12:12:00 GMT -5
his memories of when he was younger make him happy and his sister makes him happy so obviously he doesn't hold things against children. he doesn't judge them or criticize them as much as people the same age or older than him. he seems to like helping kids since they are so innocent and the museum probably reminds him of a better time of his life. it symbolizes something simple in all the chaos.
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Post by heather on Nov 14, 2008 12:34:52 GMT -5
I think Holdeden is secretly creative. He likes learning about the past, but teachers bore him, he needs visualls. It shows that hes really nice and cares about other people.
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Post by heather on Nov 14, 2008 12:46:34 GMT -5
Thats the museum
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Post by maddiepie on Nov 14, 2008 19:22:20 GMT -5
Holden seems to like kids and the museum because he says that every time that he visits the museum it never changes only the people who come back to see it are the ones who change. he likes that every time he visits nothing happens to it and in that way he remembers his childhood memories being there.
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Post by ciaranissexy on Nov 15, 2008 10:52:37 GMT -5
i think he enjoys hearing/seeing/thinking and interacting with children because inside hes so much like a child. and i think he likes the museum because theres no chance they could be "phonies" or be fake. they never change and will always remind him of his childhood.
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Post by kennyferr on Nov 15, 2008 16:35:09 GMT -5
Holden seems like he is really premature. he's like a 10 year old trapped in a 16 year old body so he relates to the things that these younger kids do. the museum makes him happy because it reminds him of when he was younger and about how it never changes. Every time you go you change but the museum always will stay the same. Salinger uses the museum to show that Holden really isnt ready for the future. he wants everything to stay how it is, like the museum.
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Post by Steve Gibbs on Nov 16, 2008 18:30:35 GMT -5
Ok, you are all saying the musuem and seeing children make him happy. That's agreed. I even said it in the question. You're not saying [glow=red,2,300]WHY?[/glow]. Keep digging. Why does the museum in particular make Holden Caulfield happy?
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Post by torilovesmaddie on Nov 17, 2008 0:31:19 GMT -5
Yes, we all know that the museum makes Holden happy. I think it makes him happy because it brought back memories. He said the museum was always the same but you yourself changed, or the weather changed, or your partner changed. It's something that he'll always enjoy and have great memories from. It's a familiar place that he loves. As for the girl he helped with her skates, I think that since she told him something about his sister and the museum, two things he loves, that made him extra happy. So he was gracious and helped her with her skates.
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Post by bendover on Nov 17, 2008 12:25:41 GMT -5
Its obvious that the museum brings joy to holden because of the children that go there for field trips and things. Museums have exhibits of the past and holden has had a rough past. So he can relate to the exhibits and the children there. Holden helped the girl with her skats because she was so nice and open about her feelings.
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Post by ochosiete on Nov 17, 2008 12:31:54 GMT -5
i think the museum made him happy because he remembers it from when he was a child when allie was alive and that was when he was happy and he is still plaged by his death and thats why he hates everything. i also think he likes children because they're so happy and care free
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Post by tcollins on Nov 17, 2008 12:40:43 GMT -5
How did you picture this museum? you put a picture in but i want to know what your perspective is on the museum. you are the only one who put in a picture, so i am curious....
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